anyone ever make a dedicated s10 C6 steel?

[Bill McCloskey]

The more I get into the C6 neck, I start to think about how nice it would be to have a dedicated s10 C6 6x5. I've got enough S10 E9th guitars between my ETS and my "on order" Sho-bud maverick II. But man it would be nice to have a dedicated C6 neck for jazz and jazz standards.

[Colin Boutilier]

I believe Sho-Bud had an S10 5p at one point in the 70s.

[Stew Crookes]

I thought about switching my EMCI S10 over and got some very good copendant suggestions here:
viewtopic.php?p=3248052#p3248052


But in the end, after a lot of thought, I decided that I know my personality well enough and will get sucked into C6 and will then obsessively NEED TO HAVE an E9/C6 convertible 12 string from Excel or Shoji so I've decided to eventually sell the EMCI and buy one of those as my next steel

[Sam Inglis]

I know of an Excel S10 that was made for C6. It might have been a special order, though.

[Wayne Brown]

Actually when we start production eary next year we were looking into a S-10 C6th Pedal Steel Guitar. However the must be enough interest to warrant that.
Thanks
Wayne

[Bill McCloskey]

I'm intrigued Wayne. Are you starting a new pedal steel company? Right now I have emails out to Williams and Toshiiyuki about building me a C6 S10 6x5. Tell me more?

[Wayne Brown]

Yes we are Bill, most of the raw stock has been purchased already and i am in conversations with some of Canada's top Pedal Steel Guitar player's. With there input we are in the process of designing a few different models of guitars from entry pro model light weight S-10's to some SD-10's to some High end works of Art. thats all i am prepared to say at this time lol
thanks
wayne

[Bill McCloskey]

Well, the community definitely needs new builders. Good luck!!

[Richard Sinkler]

I believe many (maybe all) of the current builders would gladly make you a C6 guitar with however many pedals and knee levers you want. The basic guitar is the same mo matter which tuning.

[Bill McCloskey]

At this point I've heard back from both Toshi and Bill at Williams. Now I have to make a decision.

[Dennis A Brown]

Looks like there was a C6 Justice S-10 5+1 for sale on the forum not long ago as per this thread:

viewtopic.php?p=3253688&hilit=justice+s+10+c6#p3253688

[Bill McCloskey]

I remember that. Mike from Steel Guitars of Ohio was selling it originally and then they guy who bought sold it a few weeks later. only one knee lever though.

[Bill McCloskey]

Well it was a tough decision between the Williams and the Shoji. But I decided to go with the Williams. Here is the copedent I'll be having them make for me. Single neck 6x5

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[Marco Coblenz]

May I ask what reasons made You go with the Williams?

[Bill McCloskey]

Sure: here is what I compared.

1. Williams lead time is 8 months. Toshi's lead time was 5 months. Not really much of a difference.
2. Price was comparable. Both around $4k plus change. Toshi also had shipping costs and possible unforeseen tariff costs. Less unknowns with Williams, so that gave williams the edge
3. Parts: Parts are easy to come by with a williams and legs and rods are standardized. In japan they use the metric system so things like legs and parts would need to be custom ordered from a single supplier in Japan.
4. Communication. While Toshi is very good with communication, we aren't in the same time zone and Bill is a quick phone call away.
5. Given the choice, all other things being equal, I prefer buying from an American manufacturer.

Here is what I ordered:

S10 6x5
Aluminum Neck
Keyless
Black, no trim, no inlay
Red/White Fretboard
SteelTronics Single Coil Pickup
Legs and rods 1” under standard
Wheeled case

Copedent

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